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All I can say is 30+ years ago I lived in a place that had Bill coming to town to play in a local club - I had really liked his stuff as I was studying jazz at a music school at the time and we would often try tunes that he had done...our piano player was close friends with the guy that brought Bill in and got a call as soon as he( Bill ) got into town - the guy said " Bill just got here and he needs some coke right away " - that was kind of the end of the idolization and about a year later I heard that he died - his version of " Blue in Green" still sends chills down my spine

True, but interestingly classical musicians can also say the similar thing about jazz.

1/6 частину суші розрублять Українці, бо ми є нащадками творців, всі цивилізації виходили з берегін Данапра, та було, так є і так буде, час правління 2000 років пейсатих приходить до кінця, це пухлина яка з'їсть сама себе

რას ამბობს ამან თვითონაც არ იცოდა, ლაპარაკობს ზოგი ვაი "ფილოსოფოსი" ისე უშინაარსოთ და უაზროთ , რომ ხალხმა აზრი და შინაარსი ვერ გაიგოს , რომ თითქოს თვიყონ ყველაზე ჭკვიანია და სხვები ვერ მიდიან მაგ აზროვნებამდე , რა სისულელეა რას ლაპარაკობს თვითონ თუ იცოდეს.... კაი რაა

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He’s 100% correct. Of course, there is no harm in someone preferring rock music to jazz . But from a technical standpoint, he’s right .

He obviously never heard Mr. Mister or Ugly Kid Joe

The reason rock took over is that Jazz had moved from dancehalls into peoples homes, and it became the music of an older generation. The younger generation wanted something less intellectual or cerebral and something more direct just like Bill said. The same sorts of things he says about jazz in relation to rock could be said about rock in relation to the synthesised computer produced electronic music which followed rock. That was the transition in my generation from my fathers, from rock concerts to raves. The older generation said, oh this is easier to make because it’s more simplistic and it’s so direct etc etc. but as time goes on the same pattern repeats itself. The music moves from the dancehall to the home and becomes more sophisticated, more intellectual, more experimental and this can be seen with the emergence of prock rock and the extremely intricate forms of metal music with levels of complexity and musicality far beyond early rock and roll. The same process occurs in experimental electronic music which is constantly evolving both technologically but also becoming again more melodic and moving away from repetitive arpeggiated patterns associated with early techno and house. As Chuck D said “Every generation thinks the next one is whack” but every generation is wrong

Jazz can get pretty ridiculous, they will make it complicated for the sake of a challenge and then flex on us mere mortals with something like Giant Steps. Don't get me wrong though, I love Giant Steps

Miles Davis liked rock and he kicked Bill out of his band 😂😂

He's not wrong.

Русь і росія, - це не одне і те ж. Московити - це мокші, а не слов'яни. Привласнювати історію Київської Русі вже давно стало традицією для мокшів.

I don't think Evans heard much progressive rock, psychedelic jans, acid rock, experimental rock, etc.

I am a rock musician for last 40 yrs, yep, Mr Evans got it right. OK, I can play some jazz, sometimes we do that, but jazz is simply another universe for us.

Где эта недоучка эту инфу взяла? В методичках цру? Либерда читайте про демократию катьки 2й) «Екатерина II начала совершенствование системы цензуры с указа от 6 сентября 1763 года, в котором напоминалось Академии наук о ее цензорских обязанностях и предписывалось усилить надзор над ввозимой в страну литературой, в частности запрещалась продажа «вредных» сочинений, к примеру, сочинений Руссо. Книготорговцы обязывались ежегодно доставлять в Академию наук и Московский университет реестры с записями о выписанных из-за границы книгах. Но нельзя говорить только о предупредительных мерах - более значимыми императрица считала карательные меры, поэтому в указе также было предписано, что если запрещенные книги будут обнаружены в лавке, то они будут конфискованы и проданы. Сенат же должен был принимать решения, на что расходовать деньги, получаемые от конфискаций. Указ 1763 г. фактически предлагал первую организацию цензуры в государстве: «В Санкт-Петербурге -- Академия наук, в Москве -- университет, в регионах -- училища, а где их нет -- градоначальники» Жирков Г.В. Истрия цензуры в России в XIX-XX вв.:

А ты что понял?

When ever some says “I could do what they do in 10 minutes, they could never do what I do” it just screams insecurity

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Tory Slusher is the only guitarist that makes jazz cool. She even makes dissonance cool. He is wrong. What he is basically saying is that any good jazz player can play like Hendrix. That is nonsense. Jazz rarely has a memorable melody. Pop music does, and that is what most people relate to.

Have to disagree. Rock is more than the music. If you don’t mf rock what you’re playing, no one’s gonna dig it. It’s so much about the performance itself

I hold Bill Evans in the highest regard... But, politely, I have to say that he was born too early to understand Rock music. He is wrong that "any" Jazz musician can play Rock. Rock is pure emotion - more rage than subtle ones. I've hear some great Jazz guitarists try to play Rock, and it wasn't convincing to me. Yes, Rock's usually on the beat, but some Rock musicians are blending Rock + Jazz in Fusion for example. I love it all. Yes, Jazz is more complex and sophisticated than Rock, but we can't always eat the same meal and be satisfied... Sometimes I feel like a steak, other times a hamburger... "There is no 'bad' music... Just music done badly!" The Jazz Whistler

too bad we don’t know what he thinks about cock-rock

The thing is relative. The most difficult thing is to be unique and write good music wether. Its jazx or rock. Miles Davis was in an awe when he heard Jimi Hendrix.

Росияне не славяне.

This is all one man's opinion, and this man really liked to abuse alcohol, cocaine, and heroine. Be careful of who you idolize and of whom you designate as an authoritative source.

Ok, I’m a musician. I can fake jazz. That being said I’ve played rock with some phenomenal jazz musicians. ITS A DRAG

Perfect illustration of Bill's point would be watching Joe Jones play with Chuck Berry. It's like he's saying to himself, okay, now what. The music he's playing at the Newport Jazz Festival with Chuck was so much simpler to what he had been doing all his life that he looks a little condescending. but when looking at it relative to his other life's work (the context) it's obvious why he feels the way he does. 4 to the floor versus all the different time feels that he would haven played up until that point - really no comparison.

I never thought that piano was a rock instrument. Well maybe Jerry Lee Lewis but certainly not Elton John and Billy Joel. Joni Mitchell, on the other hand, moved into jazz.

This is true to an extent, but it reflects a typical attitude of superiority from jazz musicians. Rock is of course technically easier, but there are many jazz players who would struggle to play with a proper rock feel and would probably play far too many notes! Playing a tight rock groove with feel, such as AC/DC, is an underrated skill and much harder than you might think. This view also ignores the many technically amazing rock bands and musicians from the late 60s onwards in particular (maybe this interview pre-dated this to be fair).

His opening statement is not completely true. Jazz snobs have been saying this forever, as they continue to toil, in relative obscurity, for a handful of people in tiny clubs. They talk a big game, but there are often certain gigs they can't really pull off. For example, many jazz players are terrible at playing and memorizing arrangements. They want to roll in and just read everything. Also, some consider themselves "too good" to play a simple part. A great player can often play in multiple styles, but he needs to study each style andctake it seriously. Rock and blues are harmonically simpler than jazz, but this does not make these styles easier to perform at a high level. My criticism does not extend to most jazz players, but many are snobs incapable of doing the things they brag about.

Some valid points, but there is a physicality to rock music that is not found in jazz-the drums and bass in particular are hit much harder to produce the correct timbre. There is an entirely different technique involved in that sort of thing. Look at the early fusion drummers like Billy Cobham or Tony Williams and imagine how Jo Jones or Dave Brubeck would sound on comparable material. Not everyone could translate their jazz chops into stadium cacophony, and most of the names I can think of had other stuff going on like Buddy Rich or Carl Palmer. Rock must be visceral, and is often danceable; most of the "jazz" we're talking about is bop, which tends to be more for the ears than the feet. Different objectives achieved by doing different things-not a great deal to be gained by comparing them in my opinion. They both have a place in my playlist.

It would be nice to know the date of this recording. Is Evens reflecting on the rock music of the 1950s, the 60s, the 70s?

I wouldnt fully agree with Mr. Evans here. Im a jazz guitarist. I think every music has intricacies that you have to practice and listen to a lot to really master. Even if some forms of music are more "basic" that doesn't always mean they are easier for someone who primarily plays a certain style. I played rock music early on and was much better at it then than i am now.

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yeah. yeah. yeah. yeah. yeah.

He is right. Jazz is more sophisticated craft wise. Rock is more specific and elementary (in comparison). Im a jazz drummer but my opinion of music is that labels and style classification is arbitrary. Envisage an ideal where you can play any style! Then what would style be for you? Nothing. A universe of sound and opportunities. Rock os an invention and jazz is too. But the sophisticated jazz mind can be brought to rock music and rock writing. Be an artist and let the genre label be everyone else's problem. Ya eig? I bet you donr...

Bullshit. I play both and most college-boy jazz players DO NOT, and CAN NOT ROCK. Plus, Bill Evans is boring af, and a typical jazz snob.

I agree as a guitar player who can play rock pretty well but sucks horribly at jazz. It’s on a whole other level. I’ve always wanted to be able to play jazz but self teaching it feels impossible, it seems the only way to learn it is to pay money to study it academically

великая я не застал вас, но сколько вы значите для меня и как важны все ваши слова сказанные еще когда я был младенцем и ваш демократический союз какое было бы счастье в него вступить но родился я, новый «выродок» по любимым струкгацким, в тот же год, что убили старовойтеву

I would say that rock "can be" intellectually rudimentary... yet emotionally as powerful and in some cases more powerful. I always used to say to my composition teacher, Dr. Jon Bauman, imagine a rock or pop song in score form, see that in your mind... and you might be surprised!

Boy, he wouldda LOVED Mitch Mitchell.

Well, no. Playing GOOD rock REQUIRES being excellent at Jazz, Blues, Folk, Soul etc. Ethnic music too. Listen to the great rock artists. I don't know which "rock" he was referring to. Not the one I grew up with. Anything from roots, rock and roll, psychedelic rock, progressive rock, hard rock etc. Damn I play both jazz and rock and most rockers play very good jazz, most jazzmen just CAN'T do it (it takes a lot of energy and rawness for them I guess). Even a dbeat, for example, which a type of punk rock rhythm (to take as an example a "simpler" form of rock) can't be laid down by jazz drummers.

The fast talking interviewer talks more than Evans!

Прослушала, и закрались обоснованные сомнения в том, что своей смертью умерла эта смелая и умная женщина.

Абсолютно достойнейший гражданин, честный человек, но случать историю от политиков нисколько не хочется, что от провластных, что от оппозиционеров. Всё околоисторическое у них идиологизированно, так тому и быть конечно, но лучше прислушиваться к не предвзятым (есть просто предвзятые) профессионалам своего дела - историкам.

Who cares what Bill Evans thinks about rock?

Every time I hear Bill Evans. I think of this one quote from a guy taking about Dave Burbeck, “serious men playing serious music”. I know they’re not the same but I still get that vibe. Bill evans are badass

There is nothing really to be said to most jazz players who think they are playing rock music. They can't hear the music so they can't hear your arguments. Just smile at them and pat their heads. And I play drums and I love jazz and know I can't play jazz very well at all.

No, Earl Palmer is very subtle.

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